CMNF / embarrassed and/or exposed girl scenes in films

[dunbarbarian0]

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https://ok.ru/video/1630136502911 57:30-1:00:30

There's an additional scene I think somewhere with a younger girl being stripped for her bath but I can't remember if it was this film or another.

Yes it's in the same film from 44:00 to 46:30
There's an overlap of other scene in between here as well

The girl is named Lynne Ramsay Jr, and the film is directed by a woman named Lynne Ramsay. I had assumed it was her daughter, as Lynne Ramsay does have one daughter, but it turns out the girl is actually the director’s niece.

She looks to be about 10 when filming this and had to be naked for this scene in the presence of 4 other people who were clothed, including a boy just a year or two older. The girl’s chest is fully visible when she sits up in the tub but you do not see her genitals. Curiously during the scene the boy is combed by his mother for lice and the mom places his head on the table facing his sister, who is being bathed by the older sister. His sister looks back at him, and I wonder to this day if she’s uncomfortable that he is looking at her while being washed. Neither child has any choice in the matter.

The boy doesn’t seem particularly interested, as this would be a common occurrence in this apartment, and admonishes his little sister as he believes she gave him the lice. When the girl is required to stand, you see her make sure the towel covers her to ensure the boy cannot see her vulva. I wonder how much this was acting pettiness between siblings, and how much was the girl genuinely protecting her modesty from a boy who could see her naked body.

That’s the type of thing I always think about in these scenes. How comfortable or uncomfortable were the kids with the fact that the other kid saw them half naked in a bathtub? The characters in the film were siblings. The actors playing the siblings were not siblings and I highly doubt it felt comfortable for them being seen by the other either during filming or after filming concluded when the film was released, let alone being seen by everyone else who watched the film. As someone else pointed out, later in the film the tween boy takes off all of his clothes and steps into a bathtub, seen naked from behind, with an older teenage girl (who clearly has some developmental disability).

I am very curious how these former child actors feel about these two scenes in retrospect almost 30 years later. Someone else echoed my sentiment perfectly: I wonder how they feel that anyone who watches this movie sees them in a bathtub?

[Underdoggy]

Little red flowers, 2006 1:06 to 1:07

A classroom full of young children (kindergarten age) all bottomless are crawling towards the teacher/supervisors desk while she is asleep.

There are many more nude scenes of mostly the main character (boy) and other children throughout this film, including a scene where he is standing peeing in a dream.

[mikewozere]

That link says "The requested page could not be found."

[Underdoggy]

Thanks. Fixed it, try it again?

[hostishumanis]

It is Virginie Ledoyen, who is in Mima.

For Laura Martel, OP may be thinking of "Le manège de Pauline (1991)" or "Ce que savait Maisie (1993)"

Le manège de Pauline (1991) at 1:04:40ish
https://ok.ru/video/9195751606949

and Ce que savait Maisie (1993) at 47:45ish
https://ok.ru/video/93626698264 (Russian? dub)

[mars357]

It is Virginie Ledoyen, who is in Mima.

For Laura Martel, OP may be thinking of "Le manège de Pauline (1991)" or "Ce que savait Maisie (1993)"

Le manège de Pauline (1991) at 1:04:40ish
https://ok.ru/video/9195751606949

and Ce que savait Maisie (1993) at 47:45ish
https://ok.ru/video/93626698264 (Russian? dub)

Lovely, thank you for sharing. The bath scene in the second vid starts at 41.45

[Freesub]

It is Virginie Ledoyen, who is in Mima.

For Laura Martel, OP may be thinking of "Le manège de Pauline (1991)" or "Ce que savait Maisie (1993)"

Le manège de Pauline (1991) at 1:04:40ish
https://ok.ru/video/9195751606949

and Ce que savait Maisie (1993) at 47:45ish
https://ok.ru/video/93626698264 (Russian? dub)

Almost feels like she made a career out of getting naked for these bath scenes

[bingerbonger]

https://vk.com/video-33517760_456240116

boy gets his girl to strip naked and dance for his sick grandpa

56:00

[dunbarbarian0]

Adieu, Mon Ami (1996)

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5krfyr

6:05

11 year old Julie Englebrecht (playing 10-year old Dagmar) stands naked in the tub as her mother fastidiously bathes her in the common area of a house they’ve moved into after the end of world war 2. The girl is afforded no privacy and submits to being scrubbed in full view of an older woman and a younger woman who walks in with clothes and a smirk on her face later in the scene.

When the scene begins, the audience can see the girl’s bare buttocks and that her body has been covered with soap. What is interesting to note is the positioning of her left hand in this shot as the camera zooms in while her mother lifts the girl’s right arm up high and scrubs: namely you cannot see her left hand on the left side of her body. It looks to me like she is using her hand to cover her vulva and protect her modesty. Having to lift one arm high in the air might have made her feel vulnerable in that moment.

I initially suspected this was a body double being filmed from behind as in the rest of the scene is careful to film the girl from above her chest, not even showing her nipples, but as the camera zooms in the girl’s right arm drops and the face looks like the same girl which means she indeed had to take off all of her clothes to be filmed in the raw for this scene. As the scene progresses, the girl complains that her mother is bathing her roughly, but doesn’t seem to be embarrassed that she’s naked in front of other people. Granted, the only people in the room are females.

That being said, I have to wonder how Julie Engelbrecht the actress felt having to do this scene. While the only other people in the scene were women, there was a man behind the camera directing the film: Franz Peter Wirth. I expect this had something to do with the girl covering her genitals with her free hand. There is an older teenage boy, and also a boy around the girl’s age also in the film who no doubt saw Julie standing naked in the bathtub when the film was released. Not to mention all the people who watched the movie…

The IMDb trivia reveals 2 important pieces of context:

1) Constanze Engelbrecht, who plays the adult Dagmar is the mother of Julie Engelbrecht, who plays the young Dagmar.

2) Julie Engelbrecht was 11 years old at the time of filming. She recalls that her mother Constanze Engelbrecht said to her they were looking for a girl who could play a role as a child for this film. At first she didn't want to go to the casting because at the time she felt it was a kind of test. "My mom just put the script under my pillow and when I went to bed I discovered it. Secretly, with a flashlight under the covers, I read it through in one go. The next morning I told my mother that I wanted to go to the casting."-she says. It was her first film.

I am very curious if this bath scene was in the original script that she read. Was it clear to her that she was going to have to be naked for a bath scene? Was her mother aware of this? When it came time for the scene, and for her to take off all of her clothes, did she have second thoughts? Was the scene always meant to show only her bare bottom, or was the scene originally meant to show full frontal nudity? While she looks to be prepubescent, 11 years old is an age where most kids have developed a strong sense of modesty. In retrospect, how does Julie Engelbrecht feel about this scene? Overall did she have a positive experience making the film? Perhaps she was not concerned about being naked! I just am certain that would not be the case for the vast majority of 11 year old girls, especially in a film being directed by a man. To be honest, I am very curious about how the director handled this scene and how she handled the apprehensions of the girl, assuming there were any.

All in all, it’s an interesting scene for the realism. In 1945 when this film is set, it is likely that a girl her age, despite being perfectly capable of bathing herself, despite possessing a sense of modesty, would have had no choice but to submit to being bathed in front of other people like this. Resistance would have probably meant a spanking, followed by the bathing proceeding more forcefully than it would have. The scene is a snapshot of a very different time when kids would be afforded no autonomy and simply had no rights like they do now. It might well have been a big deal to the girl that people could see her naked, or even that she had to submit to being washed like a 5 year old despite being a tween. In 1945 those feelings wouldn’t have mattered as long as her chest was flat and her vulva was bald as a baby.

[Somebody]

Time was, it was generally understood any actor should be ready for that kind of scene. It just wasn't in their culture to be prudish for most of the 20th century, and even then toward the end people merely started thinking they had to justify it, saying they wouldn't do just ANY nude scene, making some excuse about not being gratuitous etc etc. In particular, nobody but a few whining hand-wringers cared about kids appearing in them.